1 00:00:16,039 --> 00:00:09,920 [Music] 2 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:16,049 who is les Wexner is is on a lot of 3 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:17,490 people's mind and I know that you've got 4 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:20,850 a lot of information on that and in one 5 00:00:27,670 --> 00:00:22,650 of your articles I read you point out 6 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:27,680 that the Ohio Inspector General called 7 00:00:33,740 --> 00:00:32,250 epstein Wexner boyfriend correct why 8 00:00:36,830 --> 00:00:33,750 don't we start with that what do you 9 00:00:39,229 --> 00:00:36,840 think means my boyfriend well duh I 10 00:00:44,540 --> 00:00:39,239 think they were looking very carefully 11 00:00:47,690 --> 00:00:44,550 at Epstein's influence over mr. Wexner 12 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:47,700 who had been a very low-key guy kind of 13 00:00:52,939 --> 00:00:52,050 shy and retiring and suddenly you know 14 00:00:55,869 --> 00:00:52,949 in the late 80s 15 00:00:58,310 --> 00:00:55,879 Jeff Epstein shows up in town and 16 00:01:00,760 --> 00:00:58,320 suddenly you know they're there 17 00:01:03,670 --> 00:01:00,770 everywhere together 18 00:01:06,980 --> 00:01:03,680 and there's all sorts of rumors about 19 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:06,990 Epstein there's a certain amount of 20 00:01:13,609 --> 00:01:10,890 local criminal activity but then we were 21 00:01:17,090 --> 00:01:13,619 hearing reports at the time about 22 00:01:20,090 --> 00:01:17,100 underage children but you know my 23 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:20,100 newspaper I was writing for The Columbus 24 00:01:24,710 --> 00:01:22,170 Free Press and later the Columbus 25 00:01:27,460 --> 00:01:24,720 Guardian and Columbus alive but we were 26 00:01:33,050 --> 00:01:27,470 hearing tales of you know sex party with 27 00:01:37,660 --> 00:01:33,060 models and there was some concern by the 28 00:01:41,420 --> 00:01:37,670 inspector general by the late 1990s that 29 00:01:45,770 --> 00:01:41,430 Epstein may be running a honey trap that 30 00:01:49,249 --> 00:01:45,780 is compromising very powerful people to 31 00:01:51,380 --> 00:01:49,259 become rich himself compromising them in 32 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:51,390 Ohio in particular uh 33 00:01:58,310 --> 00:01:55,530 Ohio New York at the time at the 34 00:02:01,789 --> 00:01:58,320 township I mean at the town house he had 35 00:02:03,020 --> 00:02:01,799 received from originally mr. West late 36 00:02:05,060 --> 00:02:03,030 night but I'm thinking if he's the 37 00:02:06,830 --> 00:02:05,070 Inspector General of Ohio I would think 38 00:02:09,109 --> 00:02:06,840 that he was concerned about crimes going 39 00:02:12,610 --> 00:02:09,119 on in his state so that's why I raise 40 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:15,699 see were concerned with there was a 41 00:02:25,710 --> 00:02:20,810 variety of them in order to create New 42 00:02:29,830 --> 00:02:25,720 Albany the kind of Stepford perfect 43 00:02:33,699 --> 00:02:29,840 village for the rich mr. Wexner had to 44 00:02:36,670 --> 00:02:33,709 secure a hundred in dollars in 45 00:02:41,229 --> 00:02:36,680 infrastructure from the City of Columbus 46 00:02:44,920 --> 00:02:41,239 so essentially water and sewage hadn't 47 00:02:48,819 --> 00:02:44,930 been extended to a non-existent entity 48 00:02:51,339 --> 00:02:48,829 with a contract since the 1950s but mr. 49 00:02:54,100 --> 00:02:51,349 Wexner got the Columbus City Council 50 00:02:56,289 --> 00:02:54,110 with a in a quarter of the people in the 51 00:02:59,020 --> 00:02:56,299 city being relatively poor and living in 52 00:03:03,280 --> 00:02:59,030 poverty to build him a hundred million 53 00:03:06,339 --> 00:03:03,290 dollars in infrastructure in a water and 54 00:03:10,330 --> 00:03:06,349 sewage so he could create this model 55 00:03:13,569 --> 00:03:10,340 community in the process a variety of 56 00:03:17,890 --> 00:03:13,579 things were happening the City Council 57 00:03:20,670 --> 00:03:17,900 President Jerry Hammond was accused of 58 00:03:24,009 --> 00:03:20,680 being Brahe bribed 59 00:03:28,629 --> 00:03:24,019 22 investors put up ten thousand dollars 60 00:03:32,259 --> 00:03:28,639 each for mr. Hammond to create a 61 00:03:36,789 --> 00:03:32,269 brand-new jazz club called a major chord 62 00:03:39,309 --> 00:03:36,799 in the Short North so that was part of 63 00:03:42,580 --> 00:03:39,319 that process that he was looking at 64 00:03:45,430 --> 00:03:42,590 public corruption and while he was 65 00:03:51,039 --> 00:03:45,440 looking at public corruption 66 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:51,049 Epstein's name came about also mr. alexa 67 00:03:58,569 --> 00:03:53,690 nurs accountant arthur Shapiro was shot 68 00:04:02,140 --> 00:03:58,579 to death mob style in 1985 and it was 69 00:04:05,740 --> 00:04:02,150 also reported that Wexner took a big hit 70 00:04:09,190 --> 00:04:05,750 in the 87 stock market dive and then 71 00:04:11,949 --> 00:04:09,200 suddenly the wonderboy Jeff Epstein 72 00:04:14,289 --> 00:04:11,959 shows up out of nowhere they used to 73 00:04:18,490 --> 00:04:14,299 also call him at the inspector general's 74 00:04:21,610 --> 00:04:18,500 office less is Gail Friday because he 75 00:04:25,209 --> 00:04:21,620 seemed to be part ballet heart Butler 76 00:04:26,430 --> 00:04:25,219 Harden you know intelligence asset yeah 77 00:04:28,140 --> 00:04:26,440 well let's go back through 78 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:28,150 each one of those because there's some 79 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:30,810 pretty serious allegations involving 80 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:34,210 various conduct in Ohio 81 00:04:38,630 --> 00:04:35,890 first of all go back to the original 82 00:04:42,930 --> 00:04:38,640 question what sexual orientation of 83 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:42,940 Wexner what do we think it is well at 84 00:04:49,260 --> 00:04:47,050 the time he was thought to be gay I 85 00:04:54,270 --> 00:04:49,270 talked to a woman who used to be as 86 00:04:57,030 --> 00:04:54,280 public escort and she tried to convince 87 00:05:00,420 --> 00:04:57,040 me after you know she had a few drinks 88 00:05:02,700 --> 00:05:00,430 that he was bisexual we really didn't 89 00:05:03,060 --> 00:05:02,710 write about that at the time we figured 90 00:05:08,100 --> 00:05:03,070 it 91 00:05:11,370 --> 00:05:08,110 was thought to have eclectic sexual 92 00:05:15,380 --> 00:05:11,380 proclivities Jeff Epstein was thought to 93 00:05:21,980 --> 00:05:15,390 have moved the models into his circle 94 00:05:25,890 --> 00:05:21,990 prior to his marriage Abigail still 95 00:05:30,930 --> 00:05:25,900 moving female models into his male and 96 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:30,940 female of male and female and so what do 97 00:05:35,750 --> 00:05:32,370 you think do you think that he had a 98 00:05:39,630 --> 00:05:35,760 sexual relationship with Epstein 99 00:05:41,850 --> 00:05:39,640 personally I think he did but we didn't 100 00:05:44,700 --> 00:05:41,860 think you know that wasn't what we were 101 00:05:47,100 --> 00:05:44,710 pursuing only to the extent and the 102 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:47,110 reason I thought they did is because the 103 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:50,050 state inspector general and the former 104 00:05:56,990 --> 00:05:52,210 Franklin County Sheriff Earl Smith at 105 00:05:59,940 --> 00:05:57,000 the time both felt that Epstein had a 106 00:06:02,550 --> 00:05:59,950 hold on Wexner and it was an involving 107 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:02,560 sex yeah well it certainly adds a new 108 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:04,810 wrinkle to who is Jeffrey Epstein if you 109 00:06:10,770 --> 00:06:08,530 think about that and and if there was a 110 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:10,780 sexual relationship with Wexner I mean 111 00:06:14,820 --> 00:06:12,730 certainly we think that Epstein was a 112 00:06:16,740 --> 00:06:14,830 sex addict based on everything that 113 00:06:19,550 --> 00:06:16,750 we've heard there's been things about 114 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:19,560 him needing three orgasms a day etc 115 00:06:23,850 --> 00:06:22,330 three different massages and he 116 00:06:29,370 --> 00:06:23,860 certainly seems to be a psychopath 117 00:06:32,820 --> 00:06:29,380 so you know was he bisexual was he 118 00:06:35,090 --> 00:06:32,830 certainly just an opportunist and he saw 119 00:06:38,580 --> 00:06:35,100 this as a way to get close to Wexner 120 00:06:41,630 --> 00:06:38,590 that was the assumption of the Inspector 121 00:06:46,410 --> 00:06:43,410 that he was bit here's a way of 122 00:06:49,790 --> 00:06:46,420 manipulating wexner yeah absolutely and 123 00:06:52,260 --> 00:06:49,800 they were concerned that he you know 124 00:06:56,550 --> 00:06:52,270 they were looking into whether he was 125 00:06:57,930 --> 00:06:56,560 actually blackmailing mr. Wexner but 126 00:06:59,610 --> 00:06:57,940 that's I mean that's just really 127 00:07:00,870 --> 00:06:59,620 fascinating though if that's what was 128 00:07:04,980 --> 00:07:00,880 going on you know in other words imagine 129 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:04,990 if Epstein is not gay or even bisexual 130 00:07:10,530 --> 00:07:07,330 but he's willing to engage in sexual 131 00:07:16,020 --> 00:07:10,540 relations to create this relationship 132 00:07:19,020 --> 00:07:16,030 and and to use it with Wexner in much 133 00:07:21,900 --> 00:07:19,030 the same way perhaps that he people 134 00:07:26,220 --> 00:07:21,910 speculate that he was using sex to 135 00:07:30,570 --> 00:07:26,230 control other people sure very powerful 136 00:07:33,570 --> 00:07:30,580 people you know in in both parties right 137 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:33,580 so the meet wasn't the main thing you 138 00:07:36,990 --> 00:07:35,170 know you wrote a lot about this guy ship 139 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:37,000 hero's death Shapiro you said he was an 140 00:07:43,530 --> 00:07:38,170 accountant wasn't he was he also a 141 00:07:48,140 --> 00:07:43,540 lawyer yeah he was a lawyer but he did a 142 00:07:52,679 --> 00:07:48,150 lot of accounting for Wexner unlimited 143 00:07:58,139 --> 00:07:52,689 yeah so he was investigating 144 00:08:01,199 --> 00:07:58,149 ah the death of Shapiro and within that 145 00:08:03,929 --> 00:08:01,209 he was actually believing that perhaps 146 00:08:08,449 --> 00:08:03,939 that Wexler and/or Epstein was involved 147 00:08:10,139 --> 00:08:08,459 in the guy's murder right yeah that 148 00:08:15,199 --> 00:08:10,149 Epstein 149 00:08:20,989 --> 00:08:18,959 Wexler was a person of interest the main 150 00:08:25,069 --> 00:08:20,999 person of interest was Eddie DeBartolo 151 00:08:28,669 --> 00:08:25,079 jr. according to the Shapiro murder file 152 00:08:31,469 --> 00:08:28,679 that the Columbus police put together 153 00:08:34,409 --> 00:08:31,479 and again who is the owner of the forty 154 00:08:37,139 --> 00:08:34,419 niners yes and his father Eddie 155 00:08:39,959 --> 00:08:37,149 DeBartolo senior was one of the leading 156 00:08:42,059 --> 00:08:39,969 Moll makers in America so there was 157 00:08:44,819 --> 00:08:42,069 always alleged mob ties between the 158 00:08:47,490 --> 00:08:44,829 DeBartolo in the mob right yeah 159 00:08:50,389 --> 00:08:47,500 absolutely they were listed in the 160 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:50,399 public documents federal murder file 161 00:08:57,090 --> 00:08:53,410 uh-huh as part of the Genovese LaRocca 162 00:08:59,160 --> 00:08:57,100 crime family so and and just to fill 163 00:09:00,840 --> 00:08:59,170 people on this guy Shapiro he had 164 00:09:04,619 --> 00:09:00,850 pregnant from wrong he had problems with 165 00:09:09,980 --> 00:09:04,629 the IRS he was about to give testimony 166 00:09:11,189 --> 00:09:09,990 in the matter of the IRS versus Shapiro 167 00:09:14,730 --> 00:09:11,199 yes 168 00:09:18,389 --> 00:09:14,740 and he hadn't filed his taxes and the 169 00:09:20,730 --> 00:09:18,399 reports at the time that the County 170 00:09:23,549 --> 00:09:20,740 Sheriff had and others is that the FBI 171 00:09:28,230 --> 00:09:23,559 was trying to get him to roll up on 172 00:09:31,889 --> 00:09:28,240 other more powerful people and the 173 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:31,899 person mentioned was Eddie DeBartolo jr. 174 00:09:36,420 --> 00:09:34,569 and les Lexington yeah so you got the 175 00:09:39,119 --> 00:09:36,430 same same things being talked about now 176 00:09:41,549 --> 00:09:39,129 with F seems death that he died in in 177 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:41,559 prison because people were afraid of 178 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:43,569 about what he was about to say here 179 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:45,610 you've got this guy in Ohio that dies 180 00:09:50,670 --> 00:09:48,850 the day before he's murdered right 181 00:09:52,710 --> 00:09:50,680 there's no question yeah it's a it's a 182 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:52,720 mob style hit you know the closest 183 00:09:57,170 --> 00:09:54,610 Columbus loved it you know they chased 184 00:10:01,799 --> 00:09:57,180 him down and whacked him in a cemetery 185 00:10:04,499 --> 00:10:01,809 Wow and when you say whacked him what 186 00:10:06,180 --> 00:10:04,509 was was that it was that a gun was he 187 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:06,190 beaten to death no they they 188 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:09,450 Adam so he was found dead in a cemetery 189 00:10:14,730 --> 00:10:12,730 yes which was interesting that that's 190 00:10:19,890 --> 00:10:14,740 right out of a Scorsese movie right yeah 191 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:19,900 because the Columbus police technically 192 00:10:23,820 --> 00:10:22,810 had no jurisdiction in the cemetery the 193 00:10:26,190 --> 00:10:23,830 County Sheriff 194 00:10:29,580 --> 00:10:26,200 did but weren't considered quite as good 195 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:29,590 in investigations that's how I got to 196 00:10:36,510 --> 00:10:32,650 know the Franklin County Sheriff looking 197 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:36,520 into the death of Shapiro so was he an 198 00:10:47,630 --> 00:10:42,010 attorney for DeBartolo ah no but they 199 00:10:52,650 --> 00:10:47,640 were looking at a variety of land deals 200 00:10:56,130 --> 00:10:52,660 and also they were looking at the 201 00:10:59,660 --> 00:10:56,140 rolling stock which mr. Shapiro would 202 00:11:04,890 --> 00:10:59,670 know about that is the planes and trucks 203 00:11:07,560 --> 00:11:04,900 that came in to Columbus to Rickenbacker 204 00:11:10,350 --> 00:11:07,570 Airport in other places that were custom 205 00:11:11,910 --> 00:11:10,360 sealed so the according of the Franklin 206 00:11:16,470 --> 00:11:11,920 County Sheriff they were really 207 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:16,480 interested in gun and drug smuggling so 208 00:11:23,310 --> 00:11:20,890 they never found who whacked this guy 209 00:11:25,290 --> 00:11:23,320 Shapiro but it sounds pretty obvious 210 00:11:27,900 --> 00:11:25,300 that it was somebody who was concerned 211 00:11:30,260 --> 00:11:27,910 about what he might expose what is it 212 00:11:36,230 --> 00:11:30,270 was it ever learned what things 213 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:36,240 Shapiro likely may have known well the 214 00:11:44,340 --> 00:11:39,610 the agreement between the state 215 00:11:48,290 --> 00:11:44,350 inspector general and of course the 216 00:11:51,870 --> 00:11:48,300 Franklin County Sheriff was massive 217 00:11:54,900 --> 00:11:51,880 public corruption and really guns in 218 00:11:58,710 --> 00:11:54,910 arms running which so it was no surprise 219 00:12:02,730 --> 00:11:58,720 when southern air transport formerly air 220 00:12:07,560 --> 00:12:02,740 America shows up in Columbus with tax 221 00:12:10,970 --> 00:12:07,570 money working for mr. uh a westerner the 222 00:12:13,829 --> 00:12:10,980 if you read this Bureau filed carefully 223 00:12:16,380 --> 00:12:13,839 what they thought is that there was a 224 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:16,390 deal cut between the DeBartolo 225 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:19,330 and Wexner his Wexner looks the other 226 00:12:24,110 --> 00:12:20,490 way 227 00:12:28,310 --> 00:12:24,120 and DeBartolo and his friends being uh 228 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:28,320 Fat Tony Salerno and you know in Wash 229 00:12:34,130 --> 00:12:32,130 TRUCKING these trucking companies get 230 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:34,140 the rolling stock they get the 231 00:12:40,550 --> 00:12:37,890 warehouses and the rolling stock what's 232 00:12:43,970 --> 00:12:40,560 what's rolling stock the rolling stock 233 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:43,980 could be your trucks right the primary 234 00:12:53,210 --> 00:12:46,730 ninety and one point ninety percent of 235 00:12:55,699 --> 00:12:53,220 the limited trucks were leased to Walsh 236 00:12:58,880 --> 00:12:55,709 trucking which was a known mob front I 237 00:13:02,930 --> 00:12:58,890 mean when the subpoenas came down out of 238 00:13:06,170 --> 00:13:02,940 New York for organized crime they went 239 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:06,180 to the limited headquarters and the 240 00:13:12,470 --> 00:13:08,970 limited was headquartered in Columbus uh 241 00:13:15,050 --> 00:13:12,480 it was indeed yes it was that at the 242 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:15,060 time one of the largest companies in 243 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:17,610 Columbus oh yeah one of the one of the 244 00:13:23,870 --> 00:13:20,330 largest retailers in the United States 245 00:13:28,070 --> 00:13:23,880 right stores you know to this day it's 246 00:13:32,540 --> 00:13:28,080 got you know three thousand outlets in 247 00:13:35,090 --> 00:13:32,550 the United States so by necessity he's 248 00:13:40,910 --> 00:13:35,100 got a deal with these guys basically 249 00:13:43,670 --> 00:13:40,920 right yeah they tried to deal with other 250 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:43,680 people earlier there was another family 251 00:13:49,940 --> 00:13:46,170 in town the Sobel family that owned a UH 252 00:13:53,090 --> 00:13:49,950 a clothing shop called Dunhill's 253 00:13:56,570 --> 00:13:53,100 and I know they were approached by 254 00:13:58,579 --> 00:13:56,580 people wanting to expand them they 255 00:14:01,490 --> 00:13:58,589 turned it down and then they had a fire 256 00:14:06,019 --> 00:14:01,500 at their warehouse so then they picked a 257 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:06,029 guy who only had a store or two and the 258 00:14:10,790 --> 00:14:08,490 rest of its like her H racial elders 259 00:14:12,710 --> 00:14:10,800 myth right he went on to great fame and 260 00:14:15,560 --> 00:14:12,720 fortune but you know he was 261 00:14:17,750 --> 00:14:15,570 well-connected in terms through the 262 00:14:21,829 --> 00:14:17,760 DeBartolo Zinn to getting into malls all 263 00:14:24,769 --> 00:14:21,839 over America oh so he worked very 264 00:14:26,540 --> 00:14:24,779 closely with DeBartolo s-- wexner did 265 00:14:30,199 --> 00:14:26,550 they're they're the ones that really 266 00:14:33,100 --> 00:14:30,209 made the limited I you know giving him 267 00:14:35,299 --> 00:14:33,110 access to malls all over the country 268 00:14:36,979 --> 00:14:35,309 interesting 269 00:14:38,209 --> 00:14:36,989 so yeah one thing I read I guess is 270 00:14:40,969 --> 00:14:38,219 tightened this you talking about 271 00:14:43,009 --> 00:14:40,979 southern air transport right yes okay so 272 00:14:45,469 --> 00:14:43,019 I believe it was you that wrote that F 273 00:14:47,989 --> 00:14:45,479 scene arranged for the arrival in 274 00:14:49,789 --> 00:14:47,999 Columbus of southern air transport the 275 00:14:52,129 --> 00:14:49,799 airline formerly air America was 276 00:14:56,059 --> 00:14:52,139 infamous as an illegal gun and drug 277 00:14:59,179 --> 00:14:56,069 running operation Epstein well sorry I 278 00:15:04,039 --> 00:14:59,189 was getting to a different point so yeah 279 00:15:06,799 --> 00:15:04,049 so is that this air America it was what 280 00:15:11,029 --> 00:15:06,809 became southern air transport yeah when 281 00:15:14,359 --> 00:15:11,039 air America after it was exposed for 282 00:15:20,949 --> 00:15:14,369 what it did in Vietnam you know in 283 00:15:23,089 --> 00:15:20,959 particularly in Laos and they're fake 284 00:15:26,209 --> 00:15:23,099 hey Caroline I mean they were the 285 00:15:30,709 --> 00:15:26,219 airline for the CIA and the covert 286 00:15:33,139 --> 00:15:30,719 operations at Long Chen you know 287 00:15:35,719 --> 00:15:33,149 arguably the third largest air base in 288 00:15:41,029 --> 00:15:35,729 the world when they were fighting the 289 00:15:47,019 --> 00:15:41,039 pot at Lao there in Laos and also they 290 00:15:51,019 --> 00:15:47,029 had vung tau who was you know the local 291 00:15:54,739 --> 00:15:51,029 Laotian and they were traditionally 292 00:15:56,589 --> 00:15:54,749 opium smokers so then they realize bond 293 00:16:00,819 --> 00:15:56,599 powdered and they created his own 294 00:16:04,569 --> 00:16:00,829 airline form called sim Quan Airlines 295 00:16:10,389 --> 00:16:04,579 but a lot of the targets for the drugs 296 00:16:16,009 --> 00:16:10,399 were US soldiers in Thailand in Vietnam 297 00:16:17,869 --> 00:16:16,019 in the Philippines and Tony oh you know 298 00:16:20,449 --> 00:16:17,879 the famed figure they used in the 299 00:16:22,519 --> 00:16:20,459 Apocalypse Now you know the CIA 300 00:16:25,309 --> 00:16:22,529 operative running the program actually 301 00:16:30,649 --> 00:16:25,319 complained about it now particularly 302 00:16:31,579 --> 00:16:30,659 about the drug transportation that's 303 00:16:33,679 --> 00:16:31,589 lying 304 00:16:37,309 --> 00:16:33,689 that then was spun off it became a 305 00:16:40,009 --> 00:16:37,319 proprietary they sold it to a former CIA 306 00:16:44,989 --> 00:16:40,019 attorney and it became the around 307 00:16:47,059 --> 00:16:44,999 contraire line is this the one that then 308 00:16:48,260 --> 00:16:47,069 get small town Cruise movie I forget the 309 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:48,270 name of it though but 310 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:50,610 we're oh yeah actually Cruz I think was 311 00:16:58,310 --> 00:16:54,450 in the air America movie yes with me but 312 00:17:01,010 --> 00:16:58,320 there's a ma from line did a much better 313 00:17:04,220 --> 00:17:01,020 documentary called guns drugs in the CIA 314 00:17:05,990 --> 00:17:04,230 back before they were neutered you know 315 00:17:09,410 --> 00:17:06,000 they actually did an interview with Tony 316 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:09,420 PO among other people uh uh and you know 317 00:17:15,140 --> 00:17:11,610 Richard Secord who showed up in 318 00:17:19,250 --> 00:17:15,150 iran-contra also worked for you know its 319 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:19,260 nickname was opium air yeah in the Tom 320 00:17:25,340 --> 00:17:20,730 Cruise movie he's running drugs 321 00:17:27,910 --> 00:17:25,350 - where's at Central America yeah that 322 00:17:30,470 --> 00:17:27,920 would be the iran-contra member uh yeah 323 00:17:32,930 --> 00:17:30,480 Hassan Fliss exactly the question is 324 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:32,940 what was running the drugs or just 325 00:17:35,990 --> 00:17:34,410 looking to get weapons there because the 326 00:17:37,700 --> 00:17:36,000 same airline that was running drugs was 327 00:17:39,890 --> 00:17:37,710 also writing weapons well yeah my 328 00:17:42,950 --> 00:17:39,900 favorite quote from guns drugs in the 329 00:17:45,700 --> 00:17:42,960 CIA the CIA one at one of their analysts 330 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:45,710 say we weren't looking for good citizens 331 00:17:50,360 --> 00:17:48,330 so didn't I mean eight I mean they were 332 00:17:52,370 --> 00:17:50,370 you know they weren't selling you know 333 00:17:54,770 --> 00:17:52,380 they were very clear if you've ever 334 00:17:57,350 --> 00:17:54,780 listened to it's like we categorically 335 00:17:59,870 --> 00:17:57,360 deny we ever sold drugs and they don't 336 00:18:03,350 --> 00:17:59,880 deny they some of their planes you know 337 00:18:05,270 --> 00:18:03,360 in terms of getting guns in they look 338 00:18:07,910 --> 00:18:05,280 the other way when other stuff was 339 00:18:09,290 --> 00:18:07,920 coming out exactly that was my take away 340 00:18:11,930 --> 00:18:09,300 from the movie that they did they 341 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:11,940 weren't directly running drugs but they 342 00:18:20,270 --> 00:18:14,850 knew it was happening and it was a right 343 00:18:21,799 --> 00:18:20,280 thing drug cartels - yeah run weapons in 344 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:21,809 for their covert operations 345 00:18:28,990 --> 00:18:24,530 so did Wexler end up owning this airline 346 00:18:32,410 --> 00:18:29,000 know he was brought to Rickenbacker 347 00:18:36,799 --> 00:18:32,420 former Rickenbacker airbase which has 348 00:18:40,190 --> 00:18:36,809 military operations out there to make 349 00:18:43,610 --> 00:18:40,200 flights to Hong Kong in China because 350 00:18:45,980 --> 00:18:43,620 that's where a lot of Westerners clothes 351 00:18:47,900 --> 00:18:45,990 were coming in from ok so we're not 352 00:18:52,130 --> 00:18:47,910 accusing wetzlar of being involved in 353 00:18:55,460 --> 00:18:52,140 drug running gun-running correct now 354 00:18:58,400 --> 00:18:55,470 there's no one's accused him of of that 355 00:19:02,500 --> 00:18:58,410 but people have accused him of allowing 356 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:02,510 his trucks and planes to be 357 00:19:09,710 --> 00:19:08,010 by people in that business but I think 358 00:19:11,530 --> 00:19:09,720 the deal is you looked the other way and 359 00:19:15,380 --> 00:19:11,540 you had a much higher level 360 00:19:20,450 --> 00:19:15,390 so this investigation into this whack 361 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:20,460 job of this guy Shapiro it ultimately 362 00:19:29,150 --> 00:19:23,690 led to no charges no convictions 363 00:19:32,180 --> 00:19:29,160 no and yeah I mean the City Council 364 00:19:38,030 --> 00:19:32,190 President steps down and the police 365 00:19:40,810 --> 00:19:38,040 chief in Columbus gets suspended because 366 00:19:45,730 --> 00:19:40,820 he destroyed the Shapiro murder file 367 00:19:48,380 --> 00:19:45,740 uh-huh and had the FBI not had a copy 368 00:19:52,010 --> 00:19:48,390 they got a copy early from the Columbus 369 00:19:53,090 --> 00:19:52,020 Police no one would have known any of 370 00:19:56,660 --> 00:19:53,100 this stuff 371 00:20:00,680 --> 00:19:56,670 it was theoretically released to me 372 00:20:02,120 --> 00:20:00,690 accidentally unredacted but I can say 373 00:20:04,550 --> 00:20:02,130 now since he's dead 374 00:20:07,460 --> 00:20:04,560 and I'm no longer bound as David starts 375 00:20:11,300 --> 00:20:07,470 to say state inspector general arranged 376 00:20:13,430 --> 00:20:11,310 to have it released to me unredacted and 377 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:13,440 where is that is that up on the internet 378 00:20:23,510 --> 00:20:19,770 no this P Romer der file no but you know 379 00:20:27,710 --> 00:20:23,520 what's interesting is you've got a dozen 380 00:20:30,170 --> 00:20:27,720 major news entities that have asked for 381 00:20:31,970 --> 00:20:30,180 a copy of it and I've given it to I 382 00:20:35,030 --> 00:20:31,980 think I did attach it to one of my 383 00:20:38,350 --> 00:20:35,040 articles actually yeah so it is on the 384 00:20:43,580 --> 00:20:38,360 Free Press dot org but no one's real 385 00:20:46,730 --> 00:20:43,590 interested in that element sort of of 386 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:46,740 Jeffrey Epstein and mr. Baxter well in 387 00:20:52,610 --> 00:20:49,410 what your personal belief as to who 388 00:20:55,850 --> 00:20:52,620 killed Shapiro who had Shapiro killed 389 00:21:00,200 --> 00:20:55,860 well I'm going with you know the to law 390 00:21:02,420 --> 00:21:00,210 enforcement guys and they think the 391 00:21:05,450 --> 00:21:02,430 people associated with the Genovese 392 00:21:09,290 --> 00:21:05,460 LaRocca crime family who had a lot to 393 00:21:12,610 --> 00:21:09,300 lose of the relationships in the garment 394 00:21:14,899 --> 00:21:12,620 industry huh and it works and how 395 00:21:16,620 --> 00:21:14,909 smuggling works 396 00:21:18,630 --> 00:21:16,630 well since we're trying to learn about 397 00:21:20,820 --> 00:21:18,640 Epstein let's go back to this charge 398 00:21:24,510 --> 00:21:20,830 that you know here's the Ohio Inspector 399 00:21:26,070 --> 00:21:24,520 General making the claim that Epstein 400 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:26,080 was running a honey trap a sexual 401 00:21:30,810 --> 00:21:28,090 blackmail scheme so he would have must 402 00:21:33,060 --> 00:21:30,820 have uncovered something in his entire 403 00:21:35,639 --> 00:21:33,070 investigation so I guess it raises the 404 00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:35,649 question as I said before you know was 405 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:39,370 Epstein blackmailing Ohio Columbus City 406 00:21:46,380 --> 00:21:44,010 officials or Ohio officials well yeah 407 00:21:48,090 --> 00:21:46,390 they were doing it the old-fashioned way 408 00:21:52,740 --> 00:21:48,100 they were buying him up 409 00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:52,750 in fact one official michael komen was a 410 00:21:59,190 --> 00:21:55,360 fairly obscure attorney ah 411 00:22:02,130 --> 00:21:59,200 who when Wexner was being questioned and 412 00:22:05,549 --> 00:22:02,140 they were thinking about maybe dragging 413 00:22:09,180 --> 00:22:05,559 him before a grand jury Michael Coleman 414 00:22:11,340 --> 00:22:09,190 this local attorney and another attorney 415 00:22:14,490 --> 00:22:11,350 Larry James emerged and said it was all 416 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:14,500 a misunderstanding the money going to 417 00:22:18,180 --> 00:22:16,690 the city council president that it 418 00:22:20,039 --> 00:22:18,190 really was supposed to go to a 419 00:22:23,250 --> 00:22:20,049 non-profit the Martin Luther King Center 420 00:22:26,990 --> 00:22:23,260 to help poor black children and that 421 00:22:30,690 --> 00:22:27,000 they had forgotten to file the papers so 422 00:22:33,029 --> 00:22:30,700 Michael Coleman went from immediately 423 00:22:35,940 --> 00:22:33,039 after that to being appointed to the 424 00:22:37,740 --> 00:22:35,950 City Council becoming city council 425 00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:37,750 president and then becoming the 426 00:22:44,850 --> 00:22:41,440 three-term mayor of Columbus if you want 427 00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:44,860 to do well in politics in Ohio you know 428 00:22:50,389 --> 00:22:46,720 particularly Columbus you do favors from 429 00:22:53,010 --> 00:22:50,399 mr. Wexler so what do you know about 430 00:22:56,820 --> 00:22:53,020 Wexner 's wife I know that she's 431 00:23:00,870 --> 00:22:56,830 significantly younger but if you had 20 432 00:23:02,940 --> 00:23:00,880 24 years as I recall right if Wexner is 433 00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:02,950 in fact gay this would be one of your 434 00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:05,440 typical Hollywood arranged marriages 435 00:23:11,820 --> 00:23:07,120 kind of thing is that what you suspect 436 00:23:15,299 --> 00:23:11,830 it is well those were the rumors 437 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:15,309 although I did you know talk to his 438 00:23:21,539 --> 00:23:18,490 previous escort who by the way claims 439 00:23:24,269 --> 00:23:21,549 that Jeff Epstein showed up at her house 440 00:23:28,140 --> 00:23:24,279 with a large check and told her never to 441 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:28,150 contact mr. Wexner again 442 00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:29,770 wasn't Jewish even though she had 443 00:23:35,940 --> 00:23:32,320 changed her name and taken the Jewish 444 00:23:37,980 --> 00:23:35,950 name but supposedly Bella 445 00:23:42,150 --> 00:23:37,990 mr. Wexler's mother didn't really 446 00:23:46,290 --> 00:23:42,160 approve so Abigail was considered you 447 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:46,300 know he's a prominent attorney and a 448 00:23:54,300 --> 00:23:50,770 much better arrangement for les Wexner 449 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:54,310 then than was his previous counselor and 450 00:23:59,730 --> 00:23:56,770 they but they've had biological children 451 00:24:02,430 --> 00:23:59,740 correct yeah for as I recall right 452 00:24:04,260 --> 00:24:02,440 although we don't know whether how 453 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:04,270 exactly they were conceived and whether 454 00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:06,730 there was in vitro and that kind of 455 00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:07,360 stuff right 456 00:24:14,810 --> 00:24:11,370 although the the woman who used to be 457 00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:14,820 yes courts you know argued with me 458 00:24:20,030 --> 00:24:16,960 furiously not to think of less 459 00:24:25,290 --> 00:24:20,040 Lexington's day that you know he's I 460 00:24:29,250 --> 00:24:25,300 sexual so you said that you thought 461 00:24:30,780 --> 00:24:29,260 Epstein was already kind of sex 462 00:24:35,010 --> 00:24:30,790 trafficking to an extent in Ohio 463 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:35,020 bringing around both men and women do 464 00:24:41,820 --> 00:24:37,570 you have it the use of models that you 465 00:24:44,670 --> 00:24:41,830 know Bendel's again Victoria's Secrets 466 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:44,680 and for a while they had Abercrombie and 467 00:24:49,710 --> 00:24:45,090 Fitch 468 00:24:52,770 --> 00:24:49,720 as well so while we didn't hear anything 469 00:24:55,590 --> 00:24:52,780 about underage at the time we did hear 470 00:25:02,070 --> 00:24:55,600 about you know parties and models going 471 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:02,080 on at the Epstein house that Wexner gave 472 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:03,930 him in New Albany and as well as 473 00:25:13,020 --> 00:25:06,810 Wexler's mansion and he did have the 474 00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:13,030 1996 incident with Maria farmer where 475 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:16,480 she claims Epstein and is Elaine Maxwell 476 00:25:21,090 --> 00:25:19,570 sexually assaulted her at wex nurse 477 00:25:23,810 --> 00:25:21,100 mansion in New Albany 478 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:23,820 yeah and was that ever a criminal charge 479 00:25:30,990 --> 00:25:27,610 uh well Maria farmer has said that she 480 00:25:35,580 --> 00:25:31,000 called the Franklin County Sheriff's and 481 00:25:40,180 --> 00:25:35,590 she contacted the FBI but no criminal 482 00:25:43,269 --> 00:25:40,190 charge was ever brought that's the one 483 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:43,279 that mr. Wexner is having a hard time 484 00:25:51,570 --> 00:25:46,610 explaining his you know because he 485 00:26:00,570 --> 00:25:54,249 all right what about some of the big the 486 00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:00,580 bigger assertions involving Wexner and 487 00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:05,600 Israel Epstein in Israel Mossad Epstein 488 00:26:12,639 --> 00:26:09,679 being an agent etc etc well and I don't 489 00:26:16,570 --> 00:26:12,649 think my own personal beliefs I don't 490 00:26:22,090 --> 00:26:16,580 think Epstein was a agent I think he was 491 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:22,100 an asset by being an asset it allowed 492 00:26:29,860 --> 00:26:25,490 him to practice his own eclectic sexual 493 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:29,870 proclivities and to pass potentially 494 00:26:37,060 --> 00:26:33,850 compromising information about you know 495 00:26:40,029 --> 00:26:37,070 politicians that ended up as a prime 496 00:26:42,220 --> 00:26:40,039 minister in Israel and perhaps a couple 497 00:26:44,139 --> 00:26:42,230 that ended up as presidents of the 498 00:26:46,810 --> 00:26:44,149 United States governor's like Bill 499 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:46,820 Richardson and you know senator Mitchell 500 00:26:52,419 --> 00:26:50,090 in other video and of course the 501 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:52,429 legendary Randy Andy you know Prince 502 00:26:59,200 --> 00:26:55,970 Andrew I mean if you look at the 503 00:27:00,700 --> 00:26:59,210 portfolio he put together of people he 504 00:27:03,519 --> 00:27:00,710 might have had compromising information 505 00:27:06,369 --> 00:27:03,529 on you know some of the most prominent 506 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:06,379 you know male figures in the world and 507 00:27:12,700 --> 00:27:10,610 an asset for whom uh well I would think 508 00:27:18,039 --> 00:27:12,710 with southern air transport that would 509 00:27:20,490 --> 00:27:18,049 be the CIA mr. Bexon er never made you 510 00:27:23,499 --> 00:27:20,500 know never tried to hide the fact that 511 00:27:26,710 --> 00:27:23,509 he supported Israel at one point he was 512 00:27:33,369 --> 00:27:26,720 listed is you know one of the largest 513 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:33,379 private donors the but straight you're 514 00:27:39,730 --> 00:27:35,090 saying that you believe that Epstein was 515 00:27:44,759 --> 00:27:39,740 an asset for the CIA not the Messiah you 516 00:27:47,649 --> 00:27:44,769 know III think mr. Wexler didn't need 517 00:27:49,389 --> 00:27:47,659 Epstein to negotiate with Israel he had 518 00:27:53,150 --> 00:27:49,399 his own ties he had been a longtime 519 00:27:58,520 --> 00:27:53,160 friend his mentor was 520 00:28:02,180 --> 00:27:58,530 Max Fisher so he had his own connections 521 00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:02,190 there but possibly you know I mean some 522 00:28:07,310 --> 00:28:05,039 say mi6 because of you know Prince 523 00:28:09,380 --> 00:28:07,320 Andrews but I believe the clearest 524 00:28:12,919 --> 00:28:09,390 connection to southern air transport 525 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:12,929 being brought in would suggest you know 526 00:28:19,610 --> 00:28:16,530 an asset or some value to the CIA but 527 00:28:22,279 --> 00:28:19,620 the CIA would not seek to entrap someone 528 00:28:22,850 --> 00:28:22,289 like a bill Richardson or a George 529 00:28:27,070 --> 00:28:22,860 Mitchell 530 00:28:29,419 --> 00:28:27,080 no but they traffic in information they 531 00:28:34,490 --> 00:28:29,429 even information that they glean from 532 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:34,500 our own politicians oh yeah I mean 533 00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:39,450 knowledge is power and you know that's 534 00:28:46,279 --> 00:28:43,440 that's their currency well could see I 535 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:46,289 was thinking of Israel when it comes to 536 00:28:51,470 --> 00:28:47,850 somebody like Bill Richardson and George 537 00:28:57,950 --> 00:28:51,480 Mitchell because Richardson was UN 538 00:29:00,680 --> 00:28:57,960 secretary not secretary but us Wexler 539 00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:00,690 himself had already been written up of 540 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:02,880 being in the mega group it's on the you 541 00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:07,530 know yeah hey if Epstein you know was 542 00:29:11,649 --> 00:29:10,049 doing stuff which is a possibility you 543 00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:11,659 know with it with the Mossad 544 00:29:16,940 --> 00:29:14,159 particularly he's gonna come in contact 545 00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:16,950 now once he starts hanging around and 546 00:29:23,210 --> 00:29:19,200 doing business with the future you know 547 00:29:24,830 --> 00:29:23,220 a former prime minister mmm-hmm yeah and 548 00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:24,840 you I think was your reporter I've read 549 00:29:31,279 --> 00:29:28,080 somewhere that Wexner traveled with 550 00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:31,289 President Bush to Jerusalem for 551 00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:33,120 celebration of the 60th anniversary of 552 00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:36,809 the State of Israel in 2008 so he 553 00:29:41,630 --> 00:29:40,080 clearly is somewhat at the forefront 554 00:29:44,090 --> 00:29:41,640 when it comes to Israeli issues in the 555 00:29:48,020 --> 00:29:44,100 US right and yeah now they were giving 556 00:29:51,740 --> 00:29:48,030 massive amounts of money you know to 557 00:29:54,380 --> 00:29:51,750 Jewish foundations you know you know the 558 00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:54,390 Hillel Epstein gave a millions of 559 00:29:59,270 --> 00:29:57,120 dollars here at OSU except her so they 560 00:30:02,810 --> 00:29:59,280 were heavily involved in Jewish 561 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:02,820 foundations and the Wexler foundation 562 00:30:09,670 --> 00:30:06,570 but I did the selling 563 00:30:13,340 --> 00:30:09,680 the propaganda line to attack Iraq in 564 00:30:15,770 --> 00:30:13,350 2003 yeah I wanted to ask you that so 565 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:15,780 let's get into that now because that one 566 00:30:21,230 --> 00:30:17,610 really came out of left field to me you 567 00:30:24,530 --> 00:30:21,240 noted that Epstein helped his mentor les 568 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:24,540 Wexner sell the war in Iraq through the 569 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:28,290 Wexner Foundation yes and I mean the 570 00:30:33,730 --> 00:30:31,530 mainstream newspapers reported that they 571 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:33,740 apologized they said it was a mistake 572 00:30:41,860 --> 00:30:37,290 acknowledged it but again they did 573 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:41,870 extensive polling through Frank looks ah 574 00:30:47,660 --> 00:30:44,970 very prominent usually Republican based 575 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:47,670 pollster and you know they came to the 576 00:30:52,730 --> 00:30:50,370 obvious conclusion that me and you could 577 00:30:55,340 --> 00:30:52,740 have came to much cheaper keep 578 00:30:59,440 --> 00:30:55,350 mentioning Saddam Hussein in how evil he 579 00:31:02,780 --> 00:30:59,450 is but what they managed to avoid was 580 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:02,790 you know that no Iraqis attacked us on 581 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:06,810 9/11 who wasn't the Iraqis wait wise on 582 00:31:14,780 --> 00:31:08,490 why doesn't why did the Wexner 583 00:31:18,380 --> 00:31:14,790 Foundation want war in Iraq up the I 584 00:31:21,770 --> 00:31:18,390 would suppose because Iraq you know 585 00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:21,780 tried to hit them with Scud and other 586 00:31:28,220 --> 00:31:25,200 missiles silkworm so sorry it's just 587 00:31:30,290 --> 00:31:28,230 it's a pro-israel thing that Israel 588 00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:30,300 wanted to see the u.s. get aggressive 589 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:34,320 against some of these Muslim Muslim 590 00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:37,770 neighbors of theirs that have been there 591 00:31:44,750 --> 00:31:42,480 fo for so long yeah and that I mean if 592 00:31:47,870 --> 00:31:44,760 you go back and look at the peanut crowd 593 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:47,880 and you look at some of the individuals 594 00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:52,010 that that were involved in in that 595 00:32:01,490 --> 00:31:58,170 period I mean the notion was Iraq a 596 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:01,500 threat to US national security which is 597 00:32:05,780 --> 00:32:03,930 almost laughable but you could make a 598 00:32:09,170 --> 00:32:05,790 case that it was a threat to Israeli 599 00:32:11,510 --> 00:32:09,180 national security particularly after the 600 00:32:15,410 --> 00:32:11,520 Gulf War period and that they were in 601 00:32:17,930 --> 00:32:15,420 fact perhaps settling scores yeah well 602 00:32:20,180 --> 00:32:17,940 that's a new angle on the Iraq war that 603 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:20,190 I hadn't really read that much about we 604 00:32:28,700 --> 00:32:23,730 which is that we kind of charged into 605 00:32:31,789 --> 00:32:28,710 that war as a because we were supporting 606 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:31,799 some high-powered supporters of the 607 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:35,850 State of Israel I mean there was debate 608 00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:38,970 in Israel itself I mean just like there 609 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:42,000 was debate around Assad whether with 610 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:44,250 many prominent Israeli saying leave him 611 00:32:47,049 --> 00:32:45,090 the hell alone 612 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:47,059 you know we prefer a bath party 613 00:32:54,940 --> 00:32:51,570 strong-arm dictator to the jihadist but 614 00:32:58,879 --> 00:32:54,950 there were other elements in the country 615 00:33:01,960 --> 00:32:58,889 Paul Wolfowitz for example right who is 616 00:33:06,370 --> 00:33:01,970 working in the Pentagon is a civilian 617 00:33:14,100 --> 00:33:11,740 okay what about Wexner as a victim he 618 00:33:16,750 --> 00:33:14,110 ultimately supposedly broke ties with 619 00:33:21,850 --> 00:33:16,760 Epstein around the time that Epstein was 620 00:33:25,630 --> 00:33:21,860 charged originally in Florida for sex 621 00:33:29,230 --> 00:33:25,640 with underage girls etc and I think the 622 00:33:30,460 --> 00:33:29,240 way the story goes is that in the course 623 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:30,470 of cutting ties with him 624 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:33,410 Epstein had power of attorney he was 625 00:33:38,230 --> 00:33:36,410 doing absolutely everything for Wexner 626 00:33:42,550 --> 00:33:38,240 when it came to Wexler's finances right 627 00:33:46,210 --> 00:33:42,560 absolutely uh after the stock market 628 00:33:47,770 --> 00:33:46,220 crash of 87 the notion Wexner had taken 629 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:47,780 some beating because he had a lot of 630 00:33:55,060 --> 00:33:51,650 money in stock and Epstein was good at 631 00:33:59,260 --> 00:33:55,070 moving money around and making you know 632 00:34:01,090 --> 00:33:59,270 in many ways finding tax havens and it's 633 00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:01,100 in though that period of the late 80s 634 00:34:09,550 --> 00:34:03,760 where he gets full power of attorney 635 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:09,560 over mr. Wexler's finances so uh you 636 00:34:16,030 --> 00:34:12,530 know I absolutely believe you know that 637 00:34:18,340 --> 00:34:16,040 the vast majority of Epstein's 1/2 638 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:18,350 billion dollars in wealth was in fact 639 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:23,210 stolen from les Wexner yeah he had 640 00:34:29,919 --> 00:34:26,810 compromising information on him perhaps 641 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:29,929 mr. in fact I was just looking at an 642 00:34:34,750 --> 00:34:32,450 analysis today there's a couple state 643 00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:34,760 statues if it's true 644 00:34:43,300 --> 00:34:38,560 if a crime of that magnitude is true 645 00:34:45,820 --> 00:34:43,310 Wexner legal League could be ARDS with 646 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:45,830 not disclosing it because I mean that's 647 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:49,610 a hell of a lot of money to be stealing 648 00:34:59,310 --> 00:34:54,290 it has impact you know on ell brands on 649 00:35:01,840 --> 00:34:59,320 mr. Wexner so it it's real curious why 650 00:35:04,330 --> 00:35:01,850 you know hundreds of millions of dollars 651 00:35:07,780 --> 00:35:04,340 were stolen why didn't you report it as 652 00:35:09,730 --> 00:35:07,790 a crime yeah well I was gonna ask that 653 00:35:12,700 --> 00:35:09,740 question but let's give the people the 654 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:12,710 lead up to that a little bit so wax nur 655 00:35:16,420 --> 00:35:14,570 is now breaking his association with 656 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:16,430 Epstein as a result of the charges in 657 00:35:21,180 --> 00:35:19,570 Florida and in the process of 658 00:35:23,210 --> 00:35:21,190 moving over control of his finances over 659 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:23,220 to whomever he was handing it over to 660 00:35:29,460 --> 00:35:26,530 naturally an audit some type of audit is 661 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:29,470 done and and there they find the missing 662 00:35:35,250 --> 00:35:31,570 money now I believe that he ultimately 663 00:35:36,930 --> 00:35:35,260 somehow recovered it yeah I don't know 664 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:36,940 if he work uh I don't think he recovered 665 00:35:45,450 --> 00:35:40,890 at all but the selling you know of 666 00:35:47,820 --> 00:35:45,460 certain properties and donations back to 667 00:35:51,540 --> 00:35:47,830 you know the Wexner foundation or the 668 00:35:53,790 --> 00:35:51,550 Columbus foundation and I know about 669 00:35:56,130 --> 00:35:53,800 this period because I was in touch with 670 00:35:58,920 --> 00:35:56,140 the lawyers in Florida that were 671 00:36:01,410 --> 00:35:58,930 representing various jane doe's well i 672 00:36:04,950 --> 00:36:01,420 can't disclose their name and when they 673 00:36:07,830 --> 00:36:04,960 contacted me they were looking for to 674 00:36:11,910 --> 00:36:07,840 recover money they thought that Epstein 675 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:11,920 was hiding assets and that they thought 676 00:36:18,210 --> 00:36:14,890 maybe he might be hiding them and mr. 677 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:18,220 Waxman's foundations so they you know I 678 00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:20,050 told him to look at the Columbus 679 00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:22,240 foundation well everyone knows about the 680 00:36:28,290 --> 00:36:24,640 waxen her foundation a much wealthier 681 00:36:31,650 --> 00:36:28,300 foundation that pre-existed you know 682 00:36:33,810 --> 00:36:31,660 Wexner that goes back farther when I was 683 00:36:39,720 --> 00:36:33,820 looking at it in the 90s in the early 684 00:36:42,690 --> 00:36:39,730 part of this century - at 2001 2002 in 685 00:36:46,260 --> 00:36:42,700 2003 I found much more money you know 686 00:36:49,710 --> 00:36:46,270 Wexner his mother Bella and then Jeff 687 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:49,720 Epstein with huge donations to the 688 00:36:55,710 --> 00:36:53,050 Columbus foundation so as they were 689 00:36:59,720 --> 00:36:55,720 seeing whether or not Epstein was hiding 690 00:37:05,070 --> 00:36:59,730 money but it does equally look like 691 00:37:08,940 --> 00:37:05,080 maybe what I had been told by one of the 692 00:37:11,820 --> 00:37:08,950 Jane Doe lawyers is that Wexner actually 693 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:11,830 sent a team of attorneys and financial 694 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:18,610 people down to Florida to plead his case 695 00:37:25,980 --> 00:37:23,050 that he was a victim and that he wasn't 696 00:37:30,090 --> 00:37:25,990 cooperating with Epstein that he had cut 697 00:37:32,100 --> 00:37:30,100 ties and that the money Epstein had much 698 00:37:35,730 --> 00:37:32,110 of it had been stolen from 699 00:37:37,290 --> 00:37:35,740 Lexington so we're talking about tens of 700 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:37,300 millions of dollars but as you point out 701 00:37:42,510 --> 00:37:40,570 he does I think we're talking hundreds 702 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:42,520 of millions I mean but as you point out 703 00:37:45,810 --> 00:37:44,170 he'd ever brings a civil case against 704 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:45,820 Epstein for it there's no criminal 705 00:37:53,010 --> 00:37:48,690 charges never you know never reports it 706 00:37:56,910 --> 00:37:53,020 yeah so your belief would be Epstein's 707 00:37:58,530 --> 00:37:56,920 got something on Wexler I would say and 708 00:38:00,720 --> 00:37:58,540 I think he's got something on Bill 709 00:38:02,850 --> 00:38:00,730 Clinton I think he's got something on 710 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:02,860 governor Richards I think he's got a ton 711 00:38:08,490 --> 00:38:05,770 on Prince Andrew I think he may have 712 00:38:13,620 --> 00:38:08,500 some none you know the current president 713 00:38:15,450 --> 00:38:13,630 but you know I mean it's if you look you 714 00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:15,460 know at who he was hanging who was on 715 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:18,880 the Lolita Express and who is that orgy 716 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:21,490 Island yeah 717 00:38:27,540 --> 00:38:24,610 although Wexner who I guess willing was 718 00:38:30,540 --> 00:38:27,550 was willing at the time to make 719 00:38:34,500 --> 00:38:30,550 statements about it right he I know he 720 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:34,510 really didn't come out with the theft my 721 00:38:42,810 --> 00:38:39,330 newspaper printed it on on a Monday 722 00:38:45,060 --> 00:38:42,820 about a month ago you know I came out 723 00:38:49,020 --> 00:38:45,070 and said what I knew from talking to the 724 00:38:51,780 --> 00:38:49,030 Jane Doe lawyers and within two days he 725 00:38:53,850 --> 00:38:51,790 had written a letter acknowledging he 726 00:38:55,230 --> 00:38:53,860 had been ripped off by Jeff Epstein 727 00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:55,240 that's interesting so you're saying 728 00:38:59,820 --> 00:38:57,130 really he didn't it was it was in all 729 00:39:01,170 --> 00:38:59,830 times and Columbus Dispatch so he didn't 730 00:39:03,660 --> 00:39:01,180 he didn't come out with that ten years 731 00:39:07,770 --> 00:39:03,670 ago he just came out with that now yeah 732 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:07,780 now he affected he made front-page news 733 00:39:13,620 --> 00:39:10,330 below the fold in New York Times above 734 00:39:16,620 --> 00:39:13,630 the fold in The Dispatch if we were to 735 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:16,630 try to guess what Epstein have on Wexner 736 00:39:26,070 --> 00:39:20,170 it would be secret video recordings of 737 00:39:29,790 --> 00:39:26,080 him with underaged boys hmm I'm not sure 738 00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:29,800 if it has to even be that be that 739 00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:36,250 devious could be massive tax fraud 740 00:39:43,710 --> 00:39:39,280 moving money around you know an Epstein 741 00:39:45,989 --> 00:39:43,720 s'pose specialty of helping rich people 742 00:39:48,089 --> 00:39:45,999 hold on to their money 743 00:39:50,309 --> 00:39:48,099 by parking it in various tax havens 744 00:39:51,509 --> 00:39:50,319 worldwide yeah now that you're right 745 00:39:55,579 --> 00:39:51,519 that would certainly make sense with 746 00:39:59,369 --> 00:39:55,589 Wexner as far as the others go 747 00:40:03,059 --> 00:39:59,379 Richardson and and Mitchell they're 748 00:40:07,799 --> 00:40:03,069 you're assuming video recordings with 749 00:40:10,709 --> 00:40:07,809 underage girls I mean they're they're on 750 00:40:12,809 --> 00:40:10,719 the list I mean if I was a law 751 00:40:17,129 --> 00:40:12,819 enforcement that's the first thing I 752 00:40:21,509 --> 00:40:17,139 would look for yeah you know I am III 753 00:40:23,249 --> 00:40:21,519 don't think you know they were you know 754 00:40:25,649 --> 00:40:23,259 they were innocent and I don't think 755 00:40:28,409 --> 00:40:25,659 they were checking ID what do you think 756 00:40:33,179 --> 00:40:28,419 about Dershowitz he's been very very 757 00:40:35,729 --> 00:40:33,189 very adamant about denying any you know 758 00:40:39,419 --> 00:40:35,739 all the allegations against him of 759 00:40:42,569 --> 00:40:39,429 course he has but again there's a 760 00:40:45,659 --> 00:40:42,579 pattern if I was investigating or if I 761 00:40:49,039 --> 00:40:45,669 was a betting man I would say that Jeff 762 00:40:50,189 --> 00:40:49,049 Epstein had sexual dirt on mr. 763 00:40:53,639 --> 00:40:50,199 Dershowitz 764 00:40:57,949 --> 00:40:53,649 I think he's compromised what do you 765 00:40:59,659 --> 00:40:57,959 think happened in prison well yeah at 766 00:41:04,169 --> 00:40:59,669 best 767 00:41:07,019 --> 00:41:04,179 someone facilitated you know him being 768 00:41:10,349 --> 00:41:07,029 able to hang himself at worst he was 769 00:41:13,199 --> 00:41:10,359 whacked I you know I just don't believe 770 00:41:18,209 --> 00:41:13,209 you know if they thought he was on 771 00:41:20,759 --> 00:41:18,219 suicide watch I mean how in the hell 772 00:41:23,729 --> 00:41:20,769 does he hang himself I mean that was 773 00:41:24,989 --> 00:41:23,739 facilitated they had taken him off the 774 00:41:26,369 --> 00:41:24,999 watch apparently I guess the question 775 00:41:29,389 --> 00:41:26,379 was why did they take him off the watch 776 00:41:36,089 --> 00:41:29,399 I mean there was no reason to yeah and 777 00:41:38,669 --> 00:41:36,099 again as much as he knows I mean of 778 00:41:40,199 --> 00:41:38,679 course he'd be a marked man and you're 779 00:41:42,389 --> 00:41:40,209 dealing with a crowd of people some of 780 00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:42,399 the most powerful on earth and you've 781 00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:46,089 got dirt on all of them I mean you know 782 00:41:52,499 --> 00:41:49,119 they I had predicted he would die in 783 00:41:56,869 --> 00:41:52,509 prison so I found myself on the Jeff 784 00:41:59,760 --> 00:41:56,879 Epstein conspiracy paper the planet 785 00:42:02,700 --> 00:41:59,770 thought he was going to be we are either 786 00:42:05,250 --> 00:42:02,710 kill himself in prison or be whacked I 787 00:42:06,810 --> 00:42:05,260 mean it you didn't need to know much 788 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:06,820 when you when you you know I'm it's 789 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:10,570 classic knew too much so do you believe 790 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:14,530 that Wexner truly cut ties with Epstein 791 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:18,970 at that 2008 point I mean there was 792 00:42:25,070 --> 00:42:22,090 reports that Abigail was fairly 793 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:25,080 insistent I you see there's a few 794 00:42:33,090 --> 00:42:28,690 transactions but most of them appear to 795 00:42:39,090 --> 00:42:33,100 be donations back or the returning of 796 00:42:42,420 --> 00:42:39,100 funds towards mister Wexner Plus at that 797 00:42:45,090 --> 00:42:42,430 point I mean if Epstein's got half a 798 00:42:48,780 --> 00:42:45,100 billion dollars and is hanging around 799 00:42:51,660 --> 00:42:48,790 with the rich and famous and can still 800 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:51,670 use Prince Andrews to get you know 801 00:42:59,880 --> 00:42:54,970 George Stephanopoulos to come to is in a 802 00:43:03,300 --> 00:42:59,890 own house in New York he probably didn't 803 00:43:05,940 --> 00:43:03,310 need mr. waxed her that much anymore 804 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:05,950 I mean his goal was already accomplished 805 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:08,410 I mean had the ranch in Mexico he had 806 00:43:12,570 --> 00:43:09,210 the island 807 00:43:16,020 --> 00:43:12,580 you know Virgin Islands he had the 808 00:43:19,050 --> 00:43:16,030 townhouse I mean he was well beyond 809 00:43:22,050 --> 00:43:19,060 Columbus at that point right you know I 810 00:43:25,260 --> 00:43:22,060 think miss it mr. Wexler is a rational 811 00:43:28,140 --> 00:43:25,270 man when somebody you know is involved 812 00:43:32,130 --> 00:43:28,150 with trafficking underage girls you know 813 00:43:34,500 --> 00:43:32,140 I think there were some attempts to 814 00:43:37,140 --> 00:43:34,510 return some money and some transactions 815 00:43:38,609 --> 00:43:37,150 but they were not hanging out together I 816 00:43:41,820 --> 00:43:38,619 don't think Abigail would have allowed 817 00:43:46,980 --> 00:43:41,830 it was Wexner historically a Republican 818 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:46,990 yes but he switched recently or what is 819 00:43:54,450 --> 00:43:50,650 this thing Donald Trump Charlottesville 820 00:43:56,190 --> 00:43:54,460 had a tremendous impact on him when you 821 00:43:59,520 --> 00:43:56,200 know Trump said there were good people 822 00:44:02,870 --> 00:43:59,530 on both sides that seemed to be the 823 00:44:06,510 --> 00:44:02,880 breaking point for mr. Wagner although 824 00:44:09,510 --> 00:44:06,520 in big cities particularly in Columbus 825 00:44:11,490 --> 00:44:09,520 it's it's a democratic machine and he's 826 00:44:13,110 --> 00:44:11,500 over the years been able to accommodate 827 00:44:16,260 --> 00:44:13,120 himself 828 00:44:19,790 --> 00:44:16,270 to the local Democrats but he broke on 829 00:44:23,700 --> 00:44:19,800 the national level because of Trump hmm 830 00:44:25,410 --> 00:44:23,710 let's talk about Robert Maxwell because 831 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:25,420 I believe it was you that wrote about 832 00:44:30,930 --> 00:44:28,810 Epstein possibly being a suspect in his 833 00:44:33,930 --> 00:44:30,940 death Robert Maxwell is the father of 834 00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:33,940 Ghislaine ghilane and I pronounce it but 835 00:44:39,210 --> 00:44:36,880 ghilane Maxwell right right yeah dis 836 00:44:40,770 --> 00:44:39,220 Lane glaze Lane 837 00:44:41,820 --> 00:44:40,780 jillaine sometimes I hear the S 838 00:44:44,580 --> 00:44:41,830 pronounces sometimes they don't but 839 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:44,590 d'Alene max I've heard about 20 840 00:44:49,830 --> 00:44:48,490 different versions of the name talked a 841 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:49,840 little bit of about who Robert Maxwell 842 00:44:55,490 --> 00:44:53,170 was and then his death and why Epstein 843 00:44:58,860 --> 00:44:55,500 is is a person of interest in that death 844 00:45:02,700 --> 00:44:58,870 well he was I mean there's a book out he 845 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:02,710 was actually he was working I couldn't 846 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:04,810 tell you whether Epstein was working 847 00:45:10,350 --> 00:45:07,090 from the side or not but Robert Maxwell 848 00:45:14,100 --> 00:45:10,360 sure the hell was and got the funeral to 849 00:45:16,860 --> 00:45:14,110 show that he was but really heavily 850 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:16,870 involved in the tabloids in Britain and 851 00:45:25,770 --> 00:45:20,650 got involved in pawning them yeah owning 852 00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:25,780 them changing their policy lines etc it 853 00:45:32,820 --> 00:45:27,760 was heavily involved of course in 854 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:32,830 pension fraud and then in 1991 a either 855 00:45:42,300 --> 00:45:39,810 fell or was pushed off his yacht and the 856 00:45:44,700 --> 00:45:42,310 Inspector General in Ohio David starts 857 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:44,710 who I know was working with the FBI at 858 00:45:52,020 --> 00:45:49,930 the time said that they felt Epstein was 859 00:45:53,820 --> 00:45:52,030 a person of interest at least somebody 860 00:45:56,070 --> 00:45:53,830 they wanted to ask where you were you on 861 00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:56,080 that night because it's really with 862 00:46:02,190 --> 00:45:58,960 Maxwell out of the picture that that 863 00:46:06,930 --> 00:46:02,200 Epstein Inge's Lane get together in fact 864 00:46:09,090 --> 00:46:06,940 the yacht was called ajiz Lane so do we 865 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:09,100 know the extent of Epstein's 866 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:14,010 relationship with Maxwell uh with Robert 867 00:46:24,780 --> 00:46:21,210 yeah no but we know from Nigel Rosser 868 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:24,790 that Epstein was telling people he had 869 00:46:32,549 --> 00:46:27,130 ties to you know 870 00:46:36,089 --> 00:46:32,559 my six CIA Mossad the question and that 871 00:46:39,839 --> 00:46:36,099 he'd done some weird kind of big money 872 00:46:43,319 --> 00:46:39,849 bounty hunter for rich people that had 873 00:46:46,650 --> 00:46:43,329 gotten ripped off and supposedly had you 874 00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:46,660 know had developed ties in England where 875 00:46:54,779 --> 00:46:51,249 mr. Maxwell was quite prominent so the 876 00:46:57,089 --> 00:46:54,789 notion was that they knew each other but 877 00:47:01,009 --> 00:46:57,099 you know there's not a lot of stuff put 878 00:47:05,210 --> 00:47:01,019 together there I mean almost immediately 879 00:47:08,460 --> 00:47:05,220 Epstein takes up with you know Maxwell's 880 00:47:12,049 --> 00:47:08,470 daughter and shoot mili is the one that 881 00:47:15,930 --> 00:47:12,059 opened a lot of the you know upper-class 882 00:47:18,269 --> 00:47:15,940 circles because she is a lady might be 883 00:47:19,229 --> 00:47:18,279 Maxwell did she presumably inherit 884 00:47:24,180 --> 00:47:19,239 everything 885 00:47:28,349 --> 00:47:24,190 uh yes except there's a lot of reports 886 00:47:31,289 --> 00:47:28,359 that she didn't a lot of that money was 887 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:31,299 tied up because of the particularly the 888 00:47:37,170 --> 00:47:34,930 pension fund looting the crime and that 889 00:47:42,569 --> 00:47:37,180 well she may have had some money is that 890 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:42,579 she was dependent on mr. Epstein and she 891 00:47:46,650 --> 00:47:44,890 sort of worked for him and was everyone 892 00:47:50,009 --> 00:47:46,660 thought for at least a three-year period 893 00:47:52,380 --> 00:47:50,019 there was his girlfriend you know right 894 00:47:55,319 --> 00:47:52,390 at the death of the father from about 91 895 00:47:57,539 --> 00:47:55,329 to 94 and then she sort of was 896 00:48:00,420 --> 00:47:57,549 downgraded to his you know valued 897 00:48:02,700 --> 00:48:00,430 assistant so if he died falling off his 898 00:48:04,229 --> 00:48:02,710 yacht we don't know if he accidentally 899 00:48:08,910 --> 00:48:04,239 fell off or was pushed off but who else 900 00:48:11,969 --> 00:48:08,920 was on the yacht do we know hadn't I had 901 00:48:15,900 --> 00:48:11,979 really pursued that that angle all I 902 00:48:18,749 --> 00:48:15,910 know is the Spector general said that 903 00:48:20,730 --> 00:48:18,759 they wanted to know where Jeff Epstein 904 00:48:22,770 --> 00:48:20,740 was that night 905 00:48:25,710 --> 00:48:22,780 but what someone like Epstein he may 906 00:48:27,870 --> 00:48:25,720 have spread that rumor himself you know 907 00:48:30,270 --> 00:48:27,880 we know we like to say he had 908 00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:30,280 connections to in the intelligence 909 00:48:35,130 --> 00:48:31,090 community 910 00:48:37,710 --> 00:48:35,140 I mean people here in Columbus or in 911 00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:37,720 fear of this guy you know he kind of had 912 00:48:42,270 --> 00:48:39,850 this you know legend you know when I 913 00:48:43,470 --> 00:48:42,280 started writing about him a couple 914 00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:43,480 interesting things happen 915 00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:45,760 they sent a courier down from New Albany 916 00:48:53,700 --> 00:48:50,170 to pick our paper up it's like uh hi I'm 917 00:48:56,220 --> 00:48:53,710 a courier we're reading your paper and 918 00:48:58,850 --> 00:48:56,230 then I used to get stuff like you know 919 00:49:02,400 --> 00:48:58,860 notes like write about just Epstein 920 00:49:04,500 --> 00:49:02,410 you'll end up with a toe tag implying 921 00:49:06,660 --> 00:49:04,510 that I'll be in the morgue and you know 922 00:49:09,810 --> 00:49:06,670 in the corner will be assessing my cause 923 00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:09,820 of death you know and I would always 924 00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:12,250 think you know that you know Jeffrey you 925 00:49:18,270 --> 00:49:14,770 can do better than that I mean did you 926 00:49:21,530 --> 00:49:18,280 did you ever meet him - uh no I was at 927 00:49:25,650 --> 00:49:21,540 events he was at just like I'd been 928 00:49:28,500 --> 00:49:25,660 reported at events where mr. Wexner is 929 00:49:31,890 --> 00:49:28,510 I've come to mr. Waxman's attention back 930 00:49:34,250 --> 00:49:31,900 not that long ago I went out and visited 931 00:49:37,730 --> 00:49:34,260 his house to get some pictures with a 932 00:49:40,370 --> 00:49:37,740 documentary crew and I got to meet two 933 00:49:44,609 --> 00:49:40,380 detectives from the New Albany police 934 00:49:47,580 --> 00:49:44,619 and two squad cars when with two police 935 00:49:49,859 --> 00:49:47,590 officers in one with another for going 936 00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:49,869 down a public road they told me was 937 00:49:56,609 --> 00:49:53,890 closed because of bridge problems on 938 00:49:58,830 --> 00:49:56,619 both ends hmm so you weren't able to get 939 00:50:00,690 --> 00:49:58,840 to the house and I got to the guard 940 00:50:04,650 --> 00:50:00,700 shack you know I got the way to the 941 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:04,660 guards but the time' the state inspector 942 00:50:09,660 --> 00:50:07,450 general had they were former he was he 943 00:50:12,690 --> 00:50:09,670 was very high up as the key trainer in 944 00:50:17,060 --> 00:50:12,700 the state highway patrol so there were 945 00:50:20,130 --> 00:50:17,070 people in mr. Wexler's expansive 946 00:50:22,770 --> 00:50:20,140 security force that you know we're 947 00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:22,780 talking to both the county sheriff as 948 00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:25,690 well as to the inspector general before 949 00:50:32,490 --> 00:50:30,130 he was fired so in to kind of wrap 950 00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:32,500 things up where what's the state of less 951 00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:34,570 Westerners reputation in 952 00:50:43,100 --> 00:50:39,490 lumbus today well uh just yesterday 953 00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:43,110 right he was meeting with the Elle brand 954 00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:44,250 [Music] 955 00:50:50,070 --> 00:50:47,770 board in investors at their yearly 956 00:50:54,090 --> 00:50:50,080 meetings their stock is down 957 00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:54,100 dramatically particularly the flagship 958 00:51:00,560 --> 00:50:56,890 Victoria's Secret's and everyone's 959 00:51:05,250 --> 00:51:00,570 attributing it to his association with 960 00:51:09,690 --> 00:51:05,260 Epstein mr. Wexner has more buildings 961 00:51:13,380 --> 00:51:09,700 named after him than any man in columbus 962 00:51:17,970 --> 00:51:13,390 history i mean he you know he gave 963 00:51:20,580 --> 00:51:17,980 sixty-five million dollars to the OSU 964 00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:20,590 Medical Center which is now the Wexner 965 00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:24,160 Medical Center so you know I always 966 00:51:29,340 --> 00:51:26,880 liked the idea of Al Capone soup kitchen 967 00:51:32,670 --> 00:51:29,350 if you're gonna get involved in 968 00:51:34,830 --> 00:51:32,680 questionable activities make sure you're 969 00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:34,840 a bad philanthropist because a lot of 970 00:51:40,460 --> 00:51:37,930 people will forgive you it's also 971 00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:40,470 there's a report that he's lawyered up 972 00:51:50,550 --> 00:51:43,530 because of questions of whether or not 973 00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:50,560 law enforcement and or people with civil 974 00:51:55,470 --> 00:51:52,690 suits are going to come and back with 975 00:51:58,950 --> 00:51:55,480 him particularly because of the 1996 976 00:52:01,080 --> 00:51:58,960 allegation by Maria farmer is he the CEO 977 00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:01,090 and chairman of the board for L brand 978 00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:04,690 yeah he's the longest-running CEO in 979 00:52:10,260 --> 00:52:08,490 America and chairman of the board I 980 00:52:11,910 --> 00:52:10,270 couldn't remember whether he's still 981 00:52:14,430 --> 00:52:11,920 chairman on the board but I know he's 982 00:52:17,100 --> 00:52:14,440 the longest-running CEO in America and 983 00:52:20,610 --> 00:52:17,110 he major stockholders and a very 984 00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:20,620 successful CEO and often ranked among 985 00:52:26,670 --> 00:52:23,530 the best CEOs right a good place to yeah 986 00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:26,680 thought of is a good place to work I 987 00:52:34,490 --> 00:52:31,450 mean he's very socially liberal and and 988 00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:34,500 you know he's generally a nice guy so 989 00:52:40,950 --> 00:52:37,570 the fear among investors could be that 990 00:52:44,250 --> 00:52:40,960 he he's pushed out forced to resign as a 991 00:52:47,630 --> 00:52:44,260 result of his epstein connections which 992 00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:47,640 may not be great for the company 993 00:52:52,430 --> 00:52:50,410 arguably I'm he's done quite well with 994 00:52:54,660 --> 00:52:52,440 it so yeah I mean that could be a 995 00:52:59,760 --> 00:52:54,670 consequence I mean they were noting 996 00:53:01,850 --> 00:52:59,770 shifts to other other brands couple 997 00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:01,860 other brands that compete with Victoria 998 00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:09,960 apologizing there was a slight boost I 999 00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:12,090 think stock was up four to six percent 1000 00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:16,330 at least reported today probably the 1001 00:53:20,450 --> 00:53:18,610 bigger issue though as I think about it 1002 00:53:23,300 --> 00:53:20,460 is you know in this day of the me to 1003 00:53:27,900 --> 00:53:23,310 movement the last brand you want 1004 00:53:31,710 --> 00:53:27,910 anywhere associated right with sexual 1005 00:53:34,170 --> 00:53:31,720 assault is Victoria Secret right then 1006 00:53:37,590 --> 00:53:34,180 you've got numerous reports at least a 1007 00:53:40,500 --> 00:53:37,600 couple CEO and former insider saying you 1008 00:53:44,730 --> 00:53:40,510 know Epstein was taken advantage of his 1009 00:53:49,050 --> 00:53:44,740 friendship with Wexner you know to claim 1010 00:53:51,990 --> 00:53:49,060 he was recruiting models for Victoria's 1011 00:53:55,260 --> 00:53:52,000 Secret so you know we don't know yet how 1012 00:53:58,200 --> 00:53:55,270 tarnished that brand is but if it gets